Continuing with the current wave of South Korean hardcore which features bands like The Geeks and Thirteen Steps are Things We Say who features Ki, vocalist of The Geeks, on bass. These songs are energetic, fast, youth crew-inspired hardcore with some melody, mosh, and positivity, taking cues from current bands The First Step and Betrayed and bands of yore like Youth Of Today and Insted. Things We Say started in 2004 when vocalist Victor was in Toronto, Canada.